franklin_bash | season 2 ep 4 For Those About To Rock reaction post

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that is all

I will be back currently with something more coherent

probably

Coherency is HARD when Jared's face.

I still don't know what to think of the Pindar plot.

Carmen looked so amazing in her backstage outfit. omigod. Why so perfect, bb? Also her amazingness at basically doing everything is amazing. Ugh.

Hanna's last day of court outfit, the sort of cream colored dress? So gorgeous. Also, her being sweet to Pindar was adorable. Every scene is better if Hanna is just there.

I need to know what kind of music Jared likes. Since he obviously turns his nose up at Peter's tastes.

Sweetest thing ever: Jared on the bench. In the robe. Talking about how he and Peter are partners, but not life partners, but how they do live together, and then totally realizing that, yes, they actually are life partners.

Peter saying that he hated Jared. My heart broke a little at Jared's face. Also when he was told to stay outside.

Jared's face in general. Ugh. Also, waistcoats.

Jared and his daddy!issues. It felt like maybe they pulled back a little? I don't know. Something felt... I don't know. Maybe to in your face look at these issues. And the end. Leonard is such an asshole, but are we supposed to be like 'oh, okay, everyone can lol over parenting issues because we're adults now'? *shrug*

Maybe Peter just seemed a little less... protect-y. Even if he did ask if it was going to screw with Jared's head.

I'm back at Jared's face now.

Peter not wearing shoes while playing the guitar. I have mixed feelings about that.

Jared making sure that Peter felt like a rock god (even though Jared hates his taste in music). I do not have mixed feelings about that. I think I made noises only dolphins could hear.

Breckin not playing the drums. Perfect opportunity. Didn't happen. Boo.

Damien only had, like, two lines.

Jared's face. It's so quality you guys I can't.

I'm sure there was more. Probably involving Jared's face.

JARED'S FACE!

And his waistcoats and the robes and his FACE.

I think I might be stuck on that *g*

Hopefully they'll not hold back on the daddy!issues! next time we see Leonard? But the bit with the tie clip and the summer house made me all *flaily* I'd like to see more of that.

His face was so perfect.

Yes. The beachhouse/tie clip bit was wonderful. My heart hurt with that.

Peter not wearing shoes while playing the guitar

I DO NOT HAVE MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THAT. I LOVE HIM SO MUCH OH MY GOD I NEARLY DIED. How does Jared even not kiss him for two seconds at a time, how does ANYONE?

totally realizing that, yes, they actually are life partners

My happiness. All of it. It's like he probably spent years telling people they were partners, but not life partners, and then slowly it's just sort of coming with more and more 'well sort of' added onto the end, and eventually one day he's just going to say that they're partners and cut himself off from disclaiming anything because there's nothing left to disclaim.

I know what you mean about the daddy!issues, but I liked the 'here are some of Jared's daddy issues, look at his face'. And I quite like how they keep his daddy issues sort of at a level where they're still quite simmering almost. Like in season 1 was the first time he told his dad he knew about him having affairs, so it's not like that had ever come out, or been a thing they fought openly about. And now they hardly talk so they still won't have done, and I quite like that whole adult level of 'I can't actually just scream at you like I'm fifteen because I'm thirty five' (or whatever age Jared is this week) 'so we will just continue to have this very distant unhelpful relationship where everything you say kills me and we have to pretend it's okay'. Or something like that but I can't put it into words. But at the same time it was a bit friendly at the end, yes.

Leonard's coming back at the end of the season I think when we find out why Infeld hired them, so maybe they wanted things to be kind of friendly so that it would be MORE HURT when they go bad again?

Yes Hanna's clothes. Yes Jared's FACE. Yes.

I love Peter's love for rock and roll and Jared's FACE AT HIS LOVE FOR ROCK AND ROLL.

There really should be more kissing on this show. It can be platonic best friend kissing even... that's a thing that happens. Also platonic best friend cuddles, and platonic best friend sex... platonic best friend commitment ceremonies. All of that should totally happen.

It's like he probably spent years telling people they were partners, but not life partners, and then slowly it's just sort of coming with more and more 'well sort of' added onto the end, and eventually one day he's just going to say that they're partners and cut himself off from disclaiming anything because there's nothing left to disclaim.

Yes. All of this. Perfect.

I do like that Jared's daddy!issues did such lovely things to his face. It's almost like... like Jared's making too much out of his father's neglect, even though we know he's not, but Leonard kind of had that feeling likehe's making too much out of everything, esp with the 'look, I'm wearing the tie you bought me... happy now?' thing at the end. I don't know... there's a a possibility that I'm in a mood that isn't allowing me to deal with that. I feel like I might be projecting. lol.

I like the idea that it's all going to go to pot perhaps at the end of the season.

I love that Jared loves that Peter loves rock and roll, and how even if Jared doesn't get it, he gets that Peter loves it and that's enough. Because he loves Peter. His face was so full of love. So fantastic.

platonic best friend sex... platonic best friend commitment ceremonies

SERIOUSLY THOUGH, SERIOUSLY YES. Jared offers to have platonic sex with Carmen. There's just NO EXCUSE for not having it with Peter too.

I feel like I might be projecting. lol.

I feel like I'm projecting too, in the ways I liked it, I can see how it would have been much nicer, and to me just as reasonable, to have out and out OH MY GOD BROKEN SADNESS.

(My favourite bit was when Peter went 'didn't you have dinner last month' when what he clearly should have said was 'you had dinner last month, I remember because I spent the ENTIRE WEEK PUTTING YOU BACK TOGETHER AGAIN OH GOD JARED WE SHOULD JUST MOVE FURTHER AWAY FROM HIM, maybe somewhere really cold for snuggling and clothing options, also I am distracted by rock and roll receipts right now but in a minute I will fuck you against a wall if you like'.)

I assume that the platonic sex does happen, we just aren't allowed to see it because tptb are horrible, horrible people who don't understand what their audience wants.

I feel like I'm projecting too, in the ways I liked it, I can see how it would have been much nicer, and to me just as reasonable, to have out and out OH MY GOD BROKEN SADNESS.

Yes. It's like they also don't want to give us wonderfully broken sadness because they're horrible, horrible people who don't know what their audience wants.

(yes. that bit was lovely. his eyes totally said that. and then Jared's face said 'you better fuck me against that wall because I'm sad. I'm pretty sure our client won't mind.')

My mind tends to wander if I don't get enough Damien. This ep was tough for me.:(

The inside of Jared's waistcoat, it was turquoise.
Peter had bare feet.
They're not life partners except they are but they're not.
I LOVE EVERYTHING.

They just keep making BEAUTIFUL episodes of BEAUTIFUL.

I love doctor lee, I'm really attached to him from season one because even though his entire plot in that was pointless or cut out or something, I like the way he held Jared's head. And I like how Peter wanted him to be real and then was disappointed that he wasn't, but then he sort of might have been? I don't know. The whole Pindar storyline this season has been quite dull to me more than anything else.

I love that Beverley Crusher came back to judge again.

I love that Damien was sad they were going to defend someone who had hurt Pindar and made him sad.

I sort of loved the level of daddy issues, I love that they have a beach house, THANK YOU FOR A CANONICAL BEACH HOUSE, and Jared finding those presents all unused and just OH GOD HIS FACE HIS PERFECT FACE, Peter would have looked after him so hard. And Peter loves him and Peter finding it awkward when Jared storms away from fights with his dad and he has to say goodbye to him awkwardly, which will have been so much more awkward when they were thirteen. I love when Leonard said he couldn't protect Jared or Peter any more, that was weird but kind of cute how he said both of them, I like the idea that sometimes he had to protect Peter. I still think it's a bit sad that they don't make Peter hate Leonard, but they never really did, we did that for ourselves and I think we're way more valid than they are.

DID I MENTION THE BEAUTIFUL LINING OF JARED'S WAISTCOAT? Oh, I still vaguely disapprove of their having posh clothes, but THE LININGS MAKE ME SO HAPPY, and also the cut of Peter's suit. He's amazing. Everything's amazing.

Peter's going to be Gene Simmons and Jared's going to be the twentieth century fasjkdhfouwegousdhfbsdkjlgjslgjhosudfhkjkwjepfojsfkdh sjh fjkwebfi sudihjgpoj kjehw ;ks df.sdf. I HAVE TOO MUCH LOVE.

There's more but I have to go and die a little now.

The lining of the waistcoat! HOW did I forget that! Clearly we're both distracted by the shiny/turqoise things.

Also, I totally agree about Peter hating Leonard. It just makes so much more sense than him being indifferent and mildly empathetic to Jared. I'd like some more of Leonard's opinion of Peter too, since I'm sure Leonard blames him for most of Jared's 'rebellion'. I'd just like more backstory with the relationship between these three. Or just more backstory in general. *looks pointedly at F&B writers*

I think in canon probably Leonard doesn't blame Peter for Jared's rebellion. Because canon is terrible at giving us REAL BADDIES, and is keeping Leonard quite firmly not as evil as he might be. Peter did go and work for a big law firm pre-series, it was very much Jared who didn't want to. And Peter's sort of the more sensible one of the two, maybe Leonard sees that and only thinks he's as bad as Jared, not worse.

I need the backstory episode more than ALL THE OTHER EPISODES. Except it might be awful. But it might MAKE SENSE AND BE STUNNING.

I have a terrible feeling it will be awful. But I have a hopeful feeling that it might go some way in resolving some of the inconsistancies. Although I still have a bad feeling that it'll just throw up a whole new bunch of questions.

I think that maybe Peter kind of idolized Leonard a bit when they were kids. Like he knew that Leonard and Jared din't have a good relationship, but Peter didn't really get it because from the outside Jared's life must have been pretty neat what with his dad having a jaguar and a having a family beach house and probably being way richer than Peter's family. And that's why Peter wanted to be a lawyer and why he wanted in a a big law firm and why it always sort of kills Jared a little that he does a lot of this for Peter who wants to kind of be like his father. (that last bit may be my fanon angst for Jared kicking in)

I think that maybe Peter kind of idolized Leonard a bit when they were kids

Yes! That totally makes sense to me. And it gives Jared all sorts of pretty issues that also make sense to me and to his face.

always sort of kills Jared a little that he does a lot of this for Peter who wants to kind of be like his father

Yes. The thing I'm still sort of half a bit sort of uneasy about in this season is how with Peter being the one that's hanging back slightly more from being EVIL CORPORATION, because even though it brings up LOTS of beautiful little angst things and also Peter held a dog and looked sad, which was worth a LOT, it would be nice to have Jared being all TORN some more about how Peter was just dragging his life away from him a little bit.

I think Jared doesn't really realize that it's happening to him. Like, he thinks that he's being all broken up and torn about it, but he's really just slipping quietly into this role of hard ass corporate lawyer, and sometimes Peter's sadness makes him extra sad, perhaps, but, because I assume that becoming a hard ass corporate lawyer is just like becoming a zombie, the infection is kind of just changing Jared's brain, and he can't even tell that it's happening to him. Plus, he has a really hard time blaming Peter for anything. Like it just doesn't compute that Peter is the reason that he got infected with hard ass corporate lawyer.

I hadn't thought of Damien's reaction in quite that way but it fits. The guy who plays Pindar has said that he thinks the characters of Pindar and Karp have a sort of affection for each other that neither will probably ever admit. Your idea plays to that well.

I now feel marginally better about Damien getting only one scene.

I can totally see why this episode was hard on you, but I have to say that during that whole scene I was gritting my teeth at the idea that Damien was going to get another role in the b-plot rather than Hanna, so I was kind of relieved that they switched. I know it would be nice if everyone could play every week, but this is what comes of having such a great cast I guess.

And yes, I like that Reed and Kumail both seem to like the Pindar/Karp. <3

Not my favourite episode of the season fo far but enjoyable none the less.

The overall storyline was interesting. I'm glad they're back to fighting for the little guy.

The daddy issues were as prevalent as ever. The tie-pin/beach house conversation made my heart break for Jared. (Although I now want to know who he was at the beach house with :P)

Peter was highly unsympathetic in this episode in regards to Jared's ruling and Jared's daddy issues and practically everything to do with Jared. Although he did try to protect him from the comments on the blogosphere and asking him if his head was messed up.

But on the other hand we did get some nice moments from Jared, such as talking about how he and Peter are partners, but not life partners... but totally life partners. And also reassuring Peter that he's an awesome musician, even if Jared doesn't completely believe that. AND (though he should have been on drums) being on the front row for Peter's gig. Jared's totally his groupie XD

Yes, yay fighting for something they actually believe in! That was a brilliant relief.

I didn't find Peter that unsympathetic. I just sort of assume with daddy issues that he lets Jared deal with stuff and get through the day because he's a grown up, and then just looks after him when it's all too much at night because he's a tiny little boy who hates his dad.

How many terrible terrible gigs Jared must have sat through for Peter. Always right at the front with a smile on his face.

On tumblr someone mentioned that Peter totally left Jared alone outside a club that the fans were all blaming him for shutting down. Which would not end well for him if said fans spotted him there. I'm just mentioning this in case anyone wants to make fic where Jared gets randomly beaten up because Peter LEFT HIM ALONE AND UNGUARDED and there is guilt and bleeding, that would be okay with me.

just looks after him when it's all too much at night because he's a tiny little boy who hates his dad.

I like this theory *files it into headcanon* But I still think he seemed a little more involved when Leonard was around in S1. But then, we all know that consistancy isn't the writers strong point. What's that, Jared? You were pre-med before switching to law? And you didn't graduate the same high school as Peter, even though you had high school issues with Danny who apparently attended the same school as Peter? ;)

And YES! Somebody needs to fic that right away.

Edited 2012-06-27 11:40 (UTC)

Jared gets randomly beaten up because Peter LEFT HIM ALONE AND UNGUARDED and there is guilt and bleeding, that would be okay with me.
I'm not a big fan of H/C but, that would totally be okay with me too... except for the bleeding, just bruises

I'm not a big fan of H/C but

This ...... does not .... cannot process . . . . .

Oh, no, I broke you! I said BUT!!

I totes agree that Peter wasn't all that sympathetic. Like he was way too interested in his music career. There was a lot of disjointedness between them.

HELLO! You actually get my squee post in full this week because I actually had a lot of feels for this episode. Crazy stupid feels that meant I wrote a lot of feeling type things. So yeah, be warned.

I always love guitar playing MPG. It makes me love him even more. But then it can be pretty cheesy aswell haha

Is that crazy Megan?

“You’re a shredi warrior” UGH. I love how much they know eachother.

OMFG JARED PLEASE CRYING A JUDGE

He’s so tiny!!!

“No blowing before 8am. Wouldn’t say I necessarily agree with that...”

Jared. I love that he flirts with anything with a pulse.

“If my partner was here right now, he would be visibly aroused.” I DIE. VISIBLY AROUSED. THIS IS A THING THAT HAPPENS. AND THEY LIVE TOGETHER AND IT ‘GETS FUN’

“I need an excuse to see my son?” “Historically? Yeah.” UGH, their relationship hurts my soul. And Leonard is trying, but I absolutely understand why Jared keeps pushing him away

I really felt like they should have gone for a hug when Jared came into the office

“Second album was good. Before Timberlake got a big head” OH GOD. Peter’s an NSync fan?? I DIE (Okay, so I died a lot this ep. Shh)

Peter always gets his bitch on around Leonard. I have all this headcanon about Jared and Leonard fighting while Peter’s there and Jared storming off and Peter being like “I’ll go talk to him Mr Franklin” and a bit nervous because Mr Franklin and then following Jared and letting him rant about his Dad and how 'he’s ruining my life' and then when Jared runs out of steam he just grabs him in a hug (because back then Jared was even tinier and Peter could wrap his arms all the way around Jared) and just hold him close

I LOVE HOW WELL THEY KNOW EACHOTHER UGH

CHRIST. Infeld got a bit up himself then didn’t he. ‘My name above the door’ ‘Haven’t you got something to do?’

“I enjoy disappointing you. I’m good at it.” UGH. But.. but... whenever Jared is around his Dad he loses all his fun loving spirit. He becomes this bitter, jaded thing and I hate it, but i also love it, because it shows you that he isn’t just happy care-free Jared, but the deeper, buried part of him that has serious Daddy issues and must crave recognition and it hurts but it’s wonderful. Hats off to the writers for that, seriously.

“But you don’t know me” Oh baby, go find Peter and let him love you

Jared wrote a song for a girl he liked. All the songs he's written for Peter UGH

“Fanboy. Focus”

They would be really bad at prank calling haha
How much better has Pindar gotten at life though?

Remember when he had to be there via phone/computer

Hee hee. Peter has a thing against corporatism. LOVE

“What does fondling Mr Singh..?” LMAO

Jared PLEASE. With his stupid grin and his coffee

“You definitely shred. Shreddy Kruger. Shreddy Mercury. Shred Estair. You are a Shred Kennedy.” UGH STOP WITH THE IN JOKES I LAHV YOU SO

I love you quite a lot Stanton Infeld. I really do.
I also love Jared’s three piece suits. Very Harvey Specter, only cuter

“and a damn fine one” /sarcasm/ I love sarcastic Jared. And that Leonard is trying.

All in all, that was a much better episode I think.

EDIT: I DIDN@T NOTICE THE BARE FEET. HOW DIDNT I NOTICE THE BARE FEET. MEN WITH BARE FEET IS A THING WITH ME OMG

Edited 2012-06-27 15:38 (UTC)

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. OH GOD EVERYTHING.

Totally one of the things I liked about Leonard in this is that he's trying, he's sort of being annoying as well, but I like that they don't write him as totally evil awful, he's trying and it's just impossible anywhere and OH GOD Jared is so small and beautiful near his father.

I really felt like they should have gone for a hug when Jared came into the office

THIS! It was one of those moments where it looked SO WEIRD that they didn't hug.

Infeld got a bit up himself then didn’t he. ‘My name above the door’ ‘Haven’t you got something to do?’

Yes, I'm not sure that scene made loads of sense, but I was really distracted by Peter being beautiful. But Infeld was a bit dick.

“I enjoy disappointing you. I’m good at it.”

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I also love Jared’s three piece suits. Very Harvey Specter, only cuter

He's so much better than Harvey, although they've both gone blonder this year - luckily Harvey's given some of his blondness back, but Jared was WAY blond in a couple of scenes this episode.

::dances you very::

YES EVERYTHING. ESPECIALLY JAREDS FACE. JUST HIS FACE THIS WHOLE EP.

OH GOD Jared is so small and beautiful near his father.

YES. THIS. I cannot deal with how beautiful he is everytime Leonard is there. Like, he just reverts back to this little kid and it hurts me inside but IT. IS. GLORIOUS.

It DID look weird that they didn't hug. I KNEW it wasn't just me. I was expecting a whole, 'Honey, I'm home!' scene, with a little half hug and a peck on the forehead.

That Infeld scene was really weird. I understand that he didn't want to reveal his whole plan for Pindar and stuff, but no need to be a dick. UGH. (Peter was exceptionally pretty in that scene though, propping the wall up all casual like)

I love Jared and Harvey in different ways, but the same. And I think Jared is basically the baby version of Harvey. Just a baby!Harvey who pouts way too much for an adult. Anyway, yes Harvey, Jared, blonde-ness. yes. Agree with all of that!

/dances you back/

I think I'm going to file it away in my headcanon that Infeld was being a bit of a dick because he knew that Jared was having daddy issues and thought that Peter should've been holding him tightly in a corner somewhere rather than propping up the wall (beautifully)! ;)

Bringing back the old theories from season 1 that Infeld's rivalry with Leonard has something to do with Jared!

Edited 2012-07-01 16:35 (UTC)

That does fit, Infeld was capably taking care of Pindar specially so that Peter could be CARING FOR JARED and yet instead he was just there, distracting everyone by leaning on walls. Tch.

I hate not knowing about the Infeld/Leonard thing. I worry about basically all the possibilities equally.

They would be really bad at prank calling haha
Totally! I imagine they finally giving up at prank calling after the failed attempt to script a phone call...

LMAO yes! haha

Awwww, Jared posing for the pictures of him in robe ::dies::
Life partners! C'mon, Jared, you're best friends, single, in their mid-30 who live together, OF COURSE YOU'RE LIFE PARTNERS!!
I'm confused, why does Leonard look so hurt when Jared said he couldn't visit on Fathers Day? What do you expected Leonard? You made his childhood miserable!I also don't understand how wearing the ties Jared gave him make it better...
I love that Peter is happy to help Jared to kick his dad ass on court!

I LOVE JOEL MOORE!!!

I'm glad Carmen is on their side too! And Pindar's face when he said to Hanna 'You're on this too??'
FRANKLIN JR.!!!Nooo, nooo, I'm with Jared on this, he's not Junior, he's Dimples or Jare-Bear, or whatever Peter decides to call him, which I'm pretty sure is not gonna be Junior!

Peter should toss more piles of paper when he's upset!

I'm confused, why does Leonard look so hurt when Jared said he couldn't visit on Fathers Day? What do you expected Leonard?

This. Their relationship and what they did with it this episode confused me. Like we're just supposed to ignore that Leonard is kind of being a mega dick the whole way through because he apparently doesn't see it that way? I... don't know. I may just be in a mood about this for some reason.

He should totally have asked the judge to call him Jare-bear instead. And Peter throwing everything on the floor in a sudden rush of rock and roll and then picking it all up while Jared calmly drinks his coffee, OH GOD THEY ARE JUST GOOOOOOOOOD, REALLY GOOD.

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